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Frequently Asked QuestionsClarifications for LiveJournal users

Clarifications for LiveJournal users

We’ve already received some great feedback especially from the LiveJournal camp so I thought I’d address a few of these points. Before I do, however, let me first say that from the very beginning of the contest planning, participation from designers in the LiveJournal community and use of the styles by all LJ users was absolutely a cornerstone of the contest.

However, given that we are all Movable Type and TypePad users and had a great deal to do just to get the contest launched, we now realize that we failed to adequately explain how LJ users could participate and how they could use the designs from the contest. For that, we apologize and now intend to do exactly that.

Making it simple for ALL designers

The first problem is that we didn’t make it easy enough for LiveJournal designers to participate since the templates contain tags used in TypePad and Movable Type, and not LiveJournal’s S2 code. This is absolutely true and something that we simply overlooked.

So, to solve this problem, we’ve created a set of output pages using the various layouts. These pages contain the output after the Movable Type/TypePad template tags are parsed and can be used instead in creating your styles. Because the HTML structure and class/id attributes are exactly the same, the styles will be compatible with the templates themselves.

What’s more, like CSS Zen Garden, any designer (not just Movable Type, TypePad or even LiveJournal users) can use these pages in creating their styles.

Using the styles in LiveJournal

Some people have expressed confusion over how LiveJournal users could use the styles created by the contest, given that they contain MT/TP template tags and not S2 code. This is completely understandable and stems from the fact that we didn’t explain our intentions well enough.

My understanding (and again, forgive me for my LJ ignorance), is that the styles created for the contest are absolutely compatible[1], but cannot entered easily by users. The intention that we failed to communicate was that at end of the contest, all of the styles would be made available to LiveJournal users from within LJ without any need for individual users to do the work to incoporate them manaully.

The Style Contest for Movable Type, TypePad AND LiveJournal

In summary, let me say that we absolutely want participation by the LiveJournal community of designers and have always intended for LiveJournal users to reap the benefits of this contest. It was only because we are all Movable Type and TypePad users ourselves and our relative uncertainty about all things LJ that caused us to be less than clear about those intentions.

Again, we apologize and look forward to making any further changes that we need to to make sure that inclusiveness in a reality and not just a nice pie-in-the-sky ideal. As always please let us know if anything else gets your goat. So to speak…

[1] - Compatible in HTML structure and attributes with the Bloggish template which was introduced as part of the standard Six Apart styles initiative last August.

Comments

erica
April 2, 2006 4:41 PM

i wanted to take this opportunity to thank you folks for leaping in and taking the goat by the horns. i think a lot of livejournal users feel like the SixApart ugly stepchild and it's reassuring to see such strong inclusionary tactics in this matter.

as a beginning designer, i won't be participating, but i'm really looking forward to seeing what the talent can do. more importantly, i'm pleased that livejournal is getting the love it deserves.

literate packrat
April 11, 2006 6:01 PM

Hmm. Your "set of output pages" link seems to be generating a 404 error.

Jennem
April 12, 2006 5:09 PM

I think a design contest is a great idea, so kudos!

That said, it seems like ya'll have made it a ton easier for Moveable Type and Type Pad users to participate.

It appears that they will be able to use their own blogs/journals in order to work on their template -- uploading what they've changed and added so they can visually see it on their blog --, whereas livejournal users cannot because the current required format is not, as yet, compatible with S2.

I don't have any publishing software. And I don't have any webspace. I work strictly using hard code and lj templates, by adjusting and changing features, and seeing what happens when I do it. So participation in this contest is fairly impossible since I'll have no way of checking my work and seeing it in a producable format.

Next time, please inculde a template format that actually utilizes S2 code for livejournal users as well as the template format that you have provided to Moveable Type and TypePad users, so that we can have the advantage of playing with it in a format that we are familiar with and where we can preview it.

Jay Allen
April 12, 2006 6:11 PM

Hi Jennem, the point of the entry above is to tell you that we've switched to using basic HTML files (the link to which I've corrected above) as the basis of your work instead of templates.

This allows you to develop the styles right on your own computer without needing to worry about using any software other than a text editor and a web browser.

Does that make sense?

Jennem
April 12, 2006 9:03 PM

Right. My point is more that livejournal users might not have a place to plug in what they've done in order to view and modify it. I learn (and code) by trial and error.

I'm not an expert at code, so I design largely by plugging in ideas and seeing where it works and if it works. I publish what I do and see what happens, and then I go back and modify it or tweak it.

My impression with this contest is that (for livejournal users), there is no publish function that will really let you *see* what you've coded in order to play with it.

In other words, I'm a visual coder with no publishing tool. I can work off my desktop, and use the zip files provided to modify and save in wordpad or what have you, but I have no tool that will show me what my code looks like in published format. Whereas individuals with TypePad and Moveable Type have their own journals and blogs to use as a publishing format to review their modifications and specifications.

Or maybe I just suck at following links and directions, and I'm completely misunderstanding what you mean by "work off your desktop with no extra software".

Jay Allen
April 13, 2006 8:46 AM

"In other words, I'm a visual coder with no publishing tool. I can work off my desktop, and use the zip files provided to modify and save in wordpad or what have you, but I have no tool that will show me what my code looks like in published format."

Sure you do. Open the HTML file with your web browser... The playing field is completely level for all designers regardless of whether they use blogging software or not. We're just talking about HTML and CSS now.

Jennem
April 13, 2006 2:36 PM

[headdesk]

You know. Its really sad when the obvious goes right over your head because you're too busy looking at the forest to see the damn tree.

Yeesh. Just ignore me.

GAH. I can't believe that completely escaped my mind...

By the way, thanks for all the quick responses....

shattered in aspect
May 2, 2006 4:20 PM

Is there a way for LJ users with paid accounts to use the styles now? I'm decent with HTML/CSS but I'm not too familiar with S2, but if I understand correctly the S2 code should be similar/the same for all the styles, so I was hoping there might be some kind of "how-to guide" regarding putting the styles up.

Byrne Reese
May 2, 2006 7:06 PM

I am working with the LJ dev team to add the ability for users of the Bloggish layout to specify custom css for their selected design. This will be the preferred mechanism for applying styles generated through The Style Contest. I will post an update about the timeline for this feature as soon as I hear from lj_dev about the feature enhancement. :)

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